Phaeton Series 3 Anti Roll bar removal? - DuttonOwners2024-03-29T05:20:46Zhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/forum/topics/phaeton-series-3-anti-roll-bar-removal?id=2398922%3ATopic%3A221019&feed=yes&xn_auth=noA bit of info about the previ…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-04-03:2398922:Comment:2320382017-04-03T13:18:31.115ZSteve and Matt Pegrumhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/StevePegrum
<p>A bit of info about the previous broken <span style="text-decoration: underline;">top</span> wishbone weld. Having strengthened joins between original wishbone and threaded adjusters welds with plug welds between the inner and outer tubes, it now looks like it's been touching the chassis on full bump - extra thickness of adjustable bit and a very low ride height. Likely this was exacerbated by removing the ARB and thus allowing more roll.</p>
<p>So we raised it up a bit and stiffenned the…</p>
<p>A bit of info about the previous broken <span style="text-decoration: underline;">top</span> wishbone weld. Having strengthened joins between original wishbone and threaded adjusters welds with plug welds between the inner and outer tubes, it now looks like it's been touching the chassis on full bump - extra thickness of adjustable bit and a very low ride height. Likely this was exacerbated by removing the ARB and thus allowing more roll.</p>
<p>So we raised it up a bit and stiffenned the dampers too. Probably the clearance can be improved with a bit more angle grinding.</p>
<p>Anyway good drive out to Brands Hatch was then had on Sunday. No problems with the new wishbones and much improved 'feel' - Matt can elaborate.</p> So apols for the delay in rep…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-12:2398922:Comment:2295612017-01-12T18:57:52.659ZSteve and Matt Pegrumhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/StevePegrum
<p>So apols for the delay in reporting. Matt has gone back to Uni and I have been in Belfast......</p>
<p>Anyway working from memory, a quick trip a couple of circuits round the cul-de-sac by me and and reports from Matt it does look like increased caster and PAS are a good combo. I would describe the car (around the little roundabout with a none too good surface) as feeling 'soft'. But that's with the variable power PAS on full because Matt STILL has not replaced the control knob..... Another…</p>
<p>So apols for the delay in reporting. Matt has gone back to Uni and I have been in Belfast......</p>
<p>Anyway working from memory, a quick trip a couple of circuits round the cul-de-sac by me and and reports from Matt it does look like increased caster and PAS are a good combo. I would describe the car (around the little roundabout with a none too good surface) as feeling 'soft'. But that's with the variable power PAS on full because Matt STILL has not replaced the control knob..... Another way of describing that might be 'modern' ooh err.</p>
<p>Matt reported better 'feel' but we need a fuller test really</p>
<p>A little bit of paranoia about the quality of welding has also ensued after the failure on one of our adjustable upper wishbones that has been there for well over a year - may result in various bits being removed and redone</p> Thanks, Similar principle....tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-12:2398922:Comment:2296482017-01-12T18:47:51.202ZSteve and Matt Pegrumhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/StevePegrum
<p>Thanks, Similar principle....</p>
<p>Thanks, Similar principle....</p> Steve and Matt: just found th…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-12:2398922:Comment:2293382017-01-12T10:05:41.736ZSteve Kerswellhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/steveKerswell
<p>Steve and Matt: just found this posted on another site: not my idea but outside the "box" thinking :-)<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129076838?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129076838?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-center" width="721"/></a></p>
<p>Steve and Matt: just found this posted on another site: not my idea but outside the "box" thinking :-)<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129076838?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129076838?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-center" width="721"/></a></p> Looking forward to next updat…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-04:2398922:Comment:2291692017-01-04T09:39:27.494ZRoy Kemphttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/RoyKemp
<p>Looking forward to next update - reckon you could produce some bottom wishbone kits if it all goes as well as hoped?</p>
<p>Looking forward to next update - reckon you could produce some bottom wishbone kits if it all goes as well as hoped?</p> Full HD video report please tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-04:2398922:Comment:2292782017-01-04T07:25:24.331ZAdrian Southgatehttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/AdrianSouthgate
<p>Full HD video report please <img src="http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/hehe.gif"/></p>
<p>Full HD video report please <img src="http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/hehe.gif"/></p> Good luck with the test drive.tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-03:2398922:Comment:2291152017-01-03T23:36:35.685ZJames Doultonhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/JamesDoulton
<p>Good luck with the test drive.</p>
<p>Good luck with the test drive.</p> Latest tweaks how now got us…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-03:2398922:Comment:2293592017-01-03T19:47:45.268ZSteve and Matt Pegrumhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/StevePegrum
<p>Latest tweaks how now got us to 5.75deg caster and 1.75deg camber both sides.</p>
<p>Tracking could do with a proper look at but I reckone we now need a test drive - so the front needs to go on and I hope we dont get any nast surprises with wheel arch clearance! </p>
<p>Latest tweaks how now got us to 5.75deg caster and 1.75deg camber both sides.</p>
<p>Tracking could do with a proper look at but I reckone we now need a test drive - so the front needs to go on and I hope we dont get any nast surprises with wheel arch clearance! </p> Good work, hope it all goes w…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-03:2398922:Comment:2291572017-01-03T16:50:17.489ZSteve Kerswellhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/steveKerswell
<p>Good work, hope it all goes well. I have taken notes for reference :-)</p>
<p>Good work, hope it all goes well. I have taken notes for reference :-)</p> No more welding and grinding!…tag:duttonowners.ning.com,2017-01-03:2398922:Comment:2290692017-01-03T15:22:32.361ZSteve and Matt Pegrumhttps://duttonowners.ning.com/profile/StevePegrum
<p>No more welding and grinding!</p>
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<p>Yesterday we finished fabricating the second wishbone and also strengthened the cranked joint in both of them by slotting the join and inserting an additional 3mm plate and welded up.</p>
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<p>Both sides fully assembled…<br></br></p>
<p>No more welding and grinding!</p>
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<p>Yesterday we finished fabricating the second wishbone and also strengthened the cranked joint in both of them by slotting the join and inserting an additional 3mm plate and welded up.</p>
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<p>Both sides fully assembled<br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129079521?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129079521?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="295" class="align-right" height="389"/></a></p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129079862?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129079862?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="297" class="align-left" height="387"/></a></p>
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<p><br/><br/>Started trying to get the whole set up "straight and proper" last night. We have 5 3/4 degrees of caster of the left hand side and 5 on the right. Both have room for adjustment so we'll get them both hopefully at 6 degrees. The left side has negative 1 degree camber but the right has negative 4 (easily adjusted back to negative 1 by screwing in the ball joint in couple of rotations). We'll likely have to adjust the tracking to be correct as well. A bit of "jiggery pokery" on each adjustment until we are happy.</p>
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<p>Hopefully get the car out for a test run this week so will let you all know how it feels.</p>