Dutton Kit Cars and their owners

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Comment by James Doulton on December 4, 2016 at 23:28: That's interesting BV. I never knew that.

Comment by Big Vern on December 4, 2016 at 22:27: @Dave Adams, Thought you new all this! all the Malaga's were intended to be V6 cars, TDW beefed up a B+ chassis and fitted it with a Capri V6, to give it a lengthy test he toured Europe in it, whilst travelling through Spain an engine mount failed and forced a stop over in Malaga. TDW was enchanted with the town and on returning home declared the 'new' car would be called Malaga. As the bodywork was largely interchangeable between the two models there have been many combo's the more popular one being the B+ rear and Malaga bonnet which together with a much revised chassis became the Phaeton S1

Comment by James Doulton on December 4, 2016 at 9:40: Do you still have the lists? It looks as if it has an extra cross brace below the chassis under the cockpit to provide a fixing for a multi-point harness. That will also be useful with the extra weight it can now expect on the seats! The engine compartment doesn't look as if it was manufactured for the V6 because there are some cut tubes. Some of the additional metalwork has a very non-Dutton look to it - there is a large cross-member at the front of the engine that has numerous holes cut in it, to "add lightness". I am considering changing that to increase the ground clearance.

Did they know anything about engine mods? The most likely change, and the most difficult to detect, would be a camshaft change. Any changes to the conrods? Did either of them admit to having crashed it?

The rear end is unusual in that the Panhard rod is level, but I haven't looked underneath properly. I haven't got it into my garage yet, I'm still arranging stuff between the two garages to try and make the best use of the space.

Comment by Dave Adams on December 4, 2016 at 8:01: i was told it could be a good car, had i the job i have now when it was offered to me i would have it in my garage right now.... ;-)

i spoke to the owner before the guy you bought it from as well as him, they listed the modifications they were aware of Steve has confirmed that some has been done to it. one thing i didn't understand was the description of the trailing arms which originally led me to believe it was a B type. it turns out that it is a B+ (or Malaga B+) but with non standard trailing arms.

it has the boot lid more common to the B+ and the bonnet more common to the B+ i accept that it may be a Malaga B+ as some research i have done into the early cars made by Dutton leads me to believe that the fact that it was probably specified for the V6 engine as there seems to be a period where Dutton wanted or planned for the V6 cars to be "Malaga's" there is also the possibility that it was always going to be a B+ but may have been given a M***B frame/chassis number by the factory.

Comment by James Doulton on December 3, 2016 at 22:41: You are quite right, Dave, but it looks like it has all been done to a high standard and it feels like it was all done at one time by the same dedicated builder. It is frustrating that I can't really drive it but I need to do something about the seating and about the pedals first.

Comment by Dave Adams on December 3, 2016 at 20:57: of course all of this discussion is all dependant on the fact that the car has never had any modifications in its life....

what with my car only having three engines in its life.......

so a LSD is as possible as any other.

Comment by Big Vern on December 3, 2016 at 15:27: Correct Daryl the face lift Capri and its 3.09 diff came out 2 or so years after James's axle - James has a 3.22 so that ties up. RS3.1 had a 3.09 which as they were facelift models is also correct. As to the lsd, there has always been much debate on this, the friend of mine who would have known what was fitted in production is now sadly deceased and the production records have long since gone. 251 RS3.1's were built to qualify under homologation rules, (6 of these were hand built 'press cars' at Boreham) The rules then allowed Ford to build a further 50 'evo' cars which we now know as the RS3.4

Comment by Steve Kerswell on December 3, 2016 at 8:41: LSD listed as optional extra on RS 2000 so probably listed on the extra list for Crapi. Speaking of which, extra became x pack, Crapi with arches etc.

Comment by James Doulton on December 2, 2016 at 23:24: @BV. That makes sense - so it's just an old Capri axle, nothing special. I don't think that 3.09 would have been much different on the road or even on the track. I'm not sure that I care about an LSD because I think that it makes it a little easier to lose the rear end entirely, rather than spinning the inside wheel.

Comment by Big Vern on December 2, 2016 at 22:49: The info I have shows 3.0L Capri mk1 pre face lift 3.22:1 manual & 3.38:1 auto, mk1 face lift onward 3.09:1 manual while auto remains the same. That's for English markets only. Some markets show the 3.38 as manual and 3.45 as auto. LSD was fitted to most but not all manual 2.8i. RS3.1 had LSD I believe, but since we've already established James car is probably not one of them I doubt it has an LSD unless some one fitted one, which of course is always possible. There were probably more RS3.1 clones built by various, than were built by Ford so anything is possible.

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