dutton phaeton series 3 brake upgrade ?

[jamie Gorvett]

Hello all I have a phaeton and I find the brakes aren't very good, its drum rear and disk front but I think they lack feel, they are in perfect order good pads disks not spongy on the pedal but I'm not happy with them,
Can anyone recommend an upgrade I can do that will still fit inside the 13inch revolution wheels...
Any help much appreciated

[Pete Clayton]

What brand are the pads? If they are cheap ones bin them and get some uprated ones, amazing how much difference a set of pads can make!

[28ullkq4hau58]

i take it that youre,s hasn,t got a servo ??

escort mk1/mk2 servo can be fitted  or even a remote servo  will greatly improve things,,

[Paul Sheridan]

Discs front and drums rear should be more than adequate for a Phaeton (unless running a huge heavy engine), you should easily lock the wheels with out the help of a servo, in a car of that weight.

Before you get into the technical side, what is the configuration you have, ie; what are the front calipers, rear drums, pedal box and master cylinder from, if its a configuration we know works, then something probably needs overhauling.

But it could also be a miss match between the components, like wrong master cylinder for the brakes being used.

    

[Big Vern]

stock mk1 escort should be fine, there are a few things to look out for though, in particular there were several different rearwheel cylinders depending on what front calipers and master cylinder you have. If they have become mismatched then the brakes may feel very ordinary as the rears may not be doing much likewise it's not unusual for people to complain of the rears locking for the same reason ie mismatched brake parts.

find out what front calipers you have then find what rear and master cylinders go with them. Also check your flexi's they may look ok but when their on their last legs you can loose a lot of brake feel, same with old fluid.

look up brakes internation website forsome helpful info.

 

[Adrian Southgate]

Servo = no no, Way too easy to lock em all up and then you're in all sorts of trouble (been there and dumped the servo PDQ like our Steve) I've done 38,000 miles in my Legerra and never needed a servo. I can probably get a part number off my master cylinder if you need it.

The answer is in getting the right cylinders on the back to match the calipers on the front and then the master to match all of that lot. I am sure one of the old school rally specialists will be able to help, rally design or burton's maybe.

If you're cylinders and calipers are mismatched a servo will just make it worse.

[jamie Gorvett]

Car has only done 8k from new, it is running a 2.1 pinto but it just feels underbraked, the brakes are mk1 escort pads and discs are ebc so not bad quality, I have looked at 4 pot calipers and I'm thinking of rear disc conversion, I'm not expecting modern performance, my everyday driver is a ford ranger pick up and the brakes on that have more feel, it has no servo and from what I can gather from the receipts I have then the pedal box is mk1 escort,
What's the most powerful calipers I can fit in my wheels?

[Big Vern]

its not the mileage with brakes but age. Brakes deterioratewith time as does the fluid, also the parts may not have done many miles but if the parts are mismatched as may be the case if the rear axle and brakes came from one car and the front struts and M/C from another or rear cylinders replaced with the wrong ones which often happens with kits when people arn't sure what the oringinal vehicle was.

Rear disks will be a wrong move you'll just lock the rears all the time and likely crash a lot.

What front calipers do you have? and what size master cylinder? single or tandem?

 

 

[jamie Gorvett]

I will look in more detail at the set up that's on the car tomorrow and I understand that rear discs would be likely to lock the wheels but I was thinking biast valve to set up the brakes accordingly, has any one fitter the ap princess 4 pot callipers ? I know they sing about them for rally use bot would they be over rated on a dutton ?

[28ullkq4hau58]

i wouldnt say that a ,dutton, is heavy enough to warrant princess four pots ,,

[1xf87h8w80hlh]

hi i fit 4 pots on sierra and they where great i have now put them on my malaga and i have done rear disc con hawever my mate has a V6 in his car and still running 1300 brakes that have never been a problem

[284wrv9k2wgzk]

Grooved discs and Mintex pads maybe?

[Big Vern]

"i wouldnt say that a ,dutton, is heavy enough to warrant princess four pots ,,"

It isn't I think he just wants an excuse to fit fancy and expensive brakes he doesn't need and was hoping we would verify this line of thought......

The stock escort brakes were more than upto the job of stopping an escort. It's likely he has mismatched parts. Fixing up and getting the right parts would be cheaper and more effective than spending loads on bling brake kits!